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		<title>By: a million monkeys typing &#187; Mmmm&#8230; Hate Mail&#8230;.</title>
		<link>http://douglasjohnston.net/weblog/archives/2005/01/26/gtd-falls/#comment-1993</link>
		<author>a million monkeys typing &#187; Mmmm&#8230; Hate Mail&#8230;.</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>[...] @ 7:41 am  	 	 			In my past post, I mentioned a few ways in which &#8211;for me&#8211; &lt;a href="http://www.douglasjohnston.net/weblog/index.php/archives/2005/01/26/gtd-falls/"&gt;GTD tends to fall short&lt;/a&gt;. What I didn&#8217;t expect was the dozen [...]</description>
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<p> 			In my past post, I mentioned a few ways in which &#8211;for me&#8211; <a href="http://www.douglasjohnston.net/weblog/index.php/archives/2005/01/26/gtd-falls/">GTD tends to fall short</a>. What I didn&#8217;t expect was the dozen [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Baldrick Jameson</title>
		<link>http://douglasjohnston.net/weblog/archives/2005/01/26/gtd-falls/#comment-1943</link>
		<author>Baldrick Jameson</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jan 2005 22:04:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>"I’ve been snowed under, literally and figuratively". Sorry, this comment is off topic, but this use of 'literally' is becoming very common and I don't understand it at all. Please tell me what it means in that sentence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I’ve been snowed under, literally and figuratively&#8221;. Sorry, this comment is off topic, but this use of &#8216;literally&#8217; is becoming very common and I don&#8217;t understand it at all. Please tell me what it means in that sentence.</p>
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		<title>By: dougj</title>
		<link>http://douglasjohnston.net/weblog/archives/2005/01/26/gtd-falls/#comment-1944</link>
		<author>dougj</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jan 2005 22:09:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://douglasjohnston.net/weblog/archives/2005/01/26/gtd-falls/#comment-1944</guid>
					<description>"Literally" meaning that we're actually snowed under. 30 cm of snow the other day, 20 cm more today, and at least another 15 cm tomorrow. Not unusual for Newfoundland in January or February.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Literally&#8221; meaning that we&#8217;re actually snowed under. 30 cm of snow the other day, 20 cm more today, and at least another 15 cm tomorrow. Not unusual for Newfoundland in January or February.</p>
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		<title>By: arakyd</title>
		<link>http://douglasjohnston.net/weblog/archives/2005/01/26/gtd-falls/#comment-1945</link>
		<author>arakyd</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jan 2005 22:59:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://douglasjohnston.net/weblog/archives/2005/01/26/gtd-falls/#comment-1945</guid>
					<description>First things first... yeah.

My thinking very often tends to the relentlessly high level. I can reduce any problem or situation to an unanswerable philosophical question. I am the poster child of analysis paralysis.

It's true that you will run into problems if you never stop and look at the bigger picture, but take it from me - it's possible to go too far in the opposite direction, and it's utterly crippling. I'm sure you understand this. As you say, it's the old top-down vs. bottom up debate. You can't ensure that you'll find the correct balance for your situation, but you can ensure that you'll get nowhere if you spend all your time looking.

Based soley on word of mouth in the blogosphere, I'm working on implementing GTD myself. Right now I'm not worried about bigger picture, because I've already spent far too much time thinking about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First things first&#8230; yeah.</p>
<p>My thinking very often tends to the relentlessly high level. I can reduce any problem or situation to an unanswerable philosophical question. I am the poster child of analysis paralysis.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s true that you will run into problems if you never stop and look at the bigger picture, but take it from me - it&#8217;s possible to go too far in the opposite direction, and it&#8217;s utterly crippling. I&#8217;m sure you understand this. As you say, it&#8217;s the old top-down vs. bottom up debate. You can&#8217;t ensure that you&#8217;ll find the correct balance for your situation, but you can ensure that you&#8217;ll get nowhere if you spend all your time looking.</p>
<p>Based soley on word of mouth in the blogosphere, I&#8217;m working on implementing GTD myself. Right now I&#8217;m not worried about bigger picture, because I&#8217;ve already spent far too much time thinking about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Baldrick Jameson</title>
		<link>http://douglasjohnston.net/weblog/archives/2005/01/26/gtd-falls/#comment-1946</link>
		<author>Baldrick Jameson</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jan 2005 23:31:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://douglasjohnston.net/weblog/archives/2005/01/26/gtd-falls/#comment-1946</guid>
					<description>"“Literally” meaning that we’re actually snowed under. 30 cm of snow the other day, 20 cm more today, and at least another 15 cm tomorrow. Not unusual for Newfoundland in January or February."

Thanks for the clarification. False alarm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;“Literally” meaning that we’re actually snowed under. 30 cm of snow the other day, 20 cm more today, and at least another 15 cm tomorrow. Not unusual for Newfoundland in January or February.&#8221;</p>
<p>Thanks for the clarification. False alarm.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Davidson</title>
		<link>http://douglasjohnston.net/weblog/archives/2005/01/26/gtd-falls/#comment-1951</link>
		<author>Brian Davidson</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jan 2005 05:06:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://douglasjohnston.net/weblog/archives/2005/01/26/gtd-falls/#comment-1951</guid>
					<description>For me, this post hit spot on with a lot of the same struggles I have in either a) being organized and productive with GTD, or b) doing meaningful things a la 7 Habits.

Conceptually, I think the solution is in the welding of GTD and 7 Habits at the 20000 feet level (areas of focus).  I would equate these with Covey roles and anything 20000 feet and above is based on a 7 Habits approach, and 19999 feet and below is best served by GTD (projects and actions).

The Covey compass (roles &#038; goals, big rocks, etc.) would be incorporated into the week's hard landscape on the calendar.

The thing that really is hard to reconcile between the two is Covey's time matrix (do Q1 and Q2 only), and GTD's "track even the small stuff to get it off your mind" approach, which could involve Q3 or Q4 activities.

I also think there's a little guidance to be taken from Sally McGhee's book "Take Back Your Life!", which is GTD's separated-at-birth twin.  She organizes projects and next actions around meaningful objectives, which could also be equated to Covey roles and goals.  Worth a read as well, if you're trying to fill in the gaps in GTD.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For me, this post hit spot on with a lot of the same struggles I have in either a) being organized and productive with GTD, or b) doing meaningful things a la 7 Habits.</p>
<p>Conceptually, I think the solution is in the welding of GTD and 7 Habits at the 20000 feet level (areas of focus).  I would equate these with Covey roles and anything 20000 feet and above is based on a 7 Habits approach, and 19999 feet and below is best served by GTD (projects and actions).</p>
<p>The Covey compass (roles &#038; goals, big rocks, etc.) would be incorporated into the week&#8217;s hard landscape on the calendar.</p>
<p>The thing that really is hard to reconcile between the two is Covey&#8217;s time matrix (do Q1 and Q2 only), and GTD&#8217;s &#8220;track even the small stuff to get it off your mind&#8221; approach, which could involve Q3 or Q4 activities.</p>
<p>I also think there&#8217;s a little guidance to be taken from Sally McGhee&#8217;s book &#8220;Take Back Your Life!&#8221;, which is GTD&#8217;s separated-at-birth twin.  She organizes projects and next actions around meaningful objectives, which could also be equated to Covey roles and goals.  Worth a read as well, if you&#8217;re trying to fill in the gaps in GTD.</p>
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		<title>By: jenny (doug's wife.)</title>
		<link>http://douglasjohnston.net/weblog/archives/2005/01/26/gtd-falls/#comment-1961</link>
		<author>jenny (doug's wife.)</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jan 2005 15:01:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://douglasjohnston.net/weblog/archives/2005/01/26/gtd-falls/#comment-1961</guid>
					<description>myself i enjoyed organizing from the inside out...

and instead of reading i can get to sleep each and every night with the lord's prayer.. it's about surrender, forgiveness and... and most of all letting go. it's no secret, but I also recommend deep breathing. simple things to keep you sane in stressful times.

btw. thanks for fixing the washing machine sweetie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>myself i enjoyed organizing from the inside out&#8230;</p>
<p>and instead of reading i can get to sleep each and every night with the lord&#8217;s prayer.. it&#8217;s about surrender, forgiveness and&#8230; and most of all letting go. it&#8217;s no secret, but I also recommend deep breathing. simple things to keep you sane in stressful times.</p>
<p>btw. thanks for fixing the washing machine sweetie.</p>
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		<title>By: Todd</title>
		<link>http://douglasjohnston.net/weblog/archives/2005/01/26/gtd-falls/#comment-1968</link>
		<author>Todd</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jan 2005 17:58:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://douglasjohnston.net/weblog/archives/2005/01/26/gtd-falls/#comment-1968</guid>
					<description>"Thanks to GTD, I have a map of my day and week, but now I need a map of my life."

This is why I try to incorporate both Covey and Allen into my routine. The problem I have with Covey is that it's too high-level for my daily work, interruptions (etc.). That's where GTD fits in. I still agree with and re-read Covey to get back to the mindset that I think you're talking about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Thanks to GTD, I have a map of my day and week, but now I need a map of my life.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is why I try to incorporate both Covey and Allen into my routine. The problem I have with Covey is that it&#8217;s too high-level for my daily work, interruptions (etc.). That&#8217;s where GTD fits in. I still agree with and re-read Covey to get back to the mindset that I think you&#8217;re talking about.</p>
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		<title>By: GRANT</title>
		<link>http://douglasjohnston.net/weblog/archives/2005/01/26/gtd-falls/#comment-1998</link>
		<author>GRANT</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Jan 2005 22:23:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://douglasjohnston.net/weblog/archives/2005/01/26/gtd-falls/#comment-1998</guid>
					<description>I agree, GTD does nothing to help me decide who I am, just how to do the things I decide I need to do. As an engineer I like to  think of the delimma in the same light as the difference between classic newtonian and quantum physics. Newton is nice for the macroworld, but getting down to the sub-atomic requires a different tack and a whole new set of rules.

As for the GTD zelots, I don't think Mr. Allen nor Mr. Covey wrote their respective books as the end all, be all methods of "getting things done." IMHO, they wrote them to provide tools to help people be more productive and resourceful in their own lives on their own terms, not to be the new savior of all that is organizational. 

Take and use what works for you personally. For example, I use Covey PlanPlus for Outlook  for the macroworld planning I like to do: Who am I? (compass, roles) What do I want to accomplish in my life (goals, roles). Who is important to me? (roles). WHy are they important (roles, goals, and compass). Covey provides good tools and philosophy to help break down the big picture items into smaller chunks, which can then be drilled into by the GTD methodology.

But both philosophies overlap. The best tools, (and GTD abd Covey are just that, TOOLS) leave many ways to accomplish the same things for the very important reason as to allow customization, adaptability, and versitility.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree, GTD does nothing to help me decide who I am, just how to do the things I decide I need to do. As an engineer I like to  think of the delimma in the same light as the difference between classic newtonian and quantum physics. Newton is nice for the macroworld, but getting down to the sub-atomic requires a different tack and a whole new set of rules.</p>
<p>As for the GTD zelots, I don&#8217;t think Mr. Allen nor Mr. Covey wrote their respective books as the end all, be all methods of &#8220;getting things done.&#8221; IMHO, they wrote them to provide tools to help people be more productive and resourceful in their own lives on their own terms, not to be the new savior of all that is organizational. </p>
<p>Take and use what works for you personally. For example, I use Covey PlanPlus for Outlook  for the macroworld planning I like to do: Who am I? (compass, roles) What do I want to accomplish in my life (goals, roles). Who is important to me? (roles). WHy are they important (roles, goals, and compass). Covey provides good tools and philosophy to help break down the big picture items into smaller chunks, which can then be drilled into by the GTD methodology.</p>
<p>But both philosophies overlap. The best tools, (and GTD abd Covey are just that, TOOLS) leave many ways to accomplish the same things for the very important reason as to allow customization, adaptability, and versitility.</p>
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		<title>By: Dwayne</title>
		<link>http://douglasjohnston.net/weblog/archives/2005/01/26/gtd-falls/#comment-2016</link>
		<author>Dwayne</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Jan 2005 06:08:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://douglasjohnston.net/weblog/archives/2005/01/26/gtd-falls/#comment-2016</guid>
					<description>I experienced some of the same issues recently, and got the audio book for Covey's "The 8th Habit" - now I spend less time trying to get my inbox to empty and try to get my sense of purpose (living a life of "Meaning and Purpose" comes up a lot in this latest Covey book). Actually, the thing I realized was a) I didn't have my goals written down - just a bunch of projects and tasks, and b) I was spending a lot of time on the GTD mechanics and neglecting getting the more important stuff done. Now, I'm trying to blend the two - use GTD to help me make progress toward the really important stuff I re-connected with after doing some reflection on why I'm around on the planet in the first place. Really enjoy your site - thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I experienced some of the same issues recently, and got the audio book for Covey&#8217;s &#8220;The 8th Habit&#8221; - now I spend less time trying to get my inbox to empty and try to get my sense of purpose (living a life of &#8220;Meaning and Purpose&#8221; comes up a lot in this latest Covey book). Actually, the thing I realized was a) I didn&#8217;t have my goals written down - just a bunch of projects and tasks, and b) I was spending a lot of time on the GTD mechanics and neglecting getting the more important stuff done. Now, I&#8217;m trying to blend the two - use GTD to help me make progress toward the really important stuff I re-connected with after doing some reflection on why I&#8217;m around on the planet in the first place. Really enjoy your site - thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan S.</title>
		<link>http://douglasjohnston.net/weblog/archives/2005/01/26/gtd-falls/#comment-2024</link>
		<author>Dan S.</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Jan 2005 16:35:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://douglasjohnston.net/weblog/archives/2005/01/26/gtd-falls/#comment-2024</guid>
					<description>I have recently come to a similar conclusion--that GTD is fantastic for the runway and 10,000 feet but that it lacks the explicit values/principles/50,000 foot perspective. I am finding that Covey and GTD are not mutually exclusive. My weekly review (when I do it) is where I connect the bottom-up to the top-down approaches. I use both the GTD add-in for Outlook and Plan Plus for Outlook and find that they are very compatible stable mates</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have recently come to a similar conclusion&#8211;that GTD is fantastic for the runway and 10,000 feet but that it lacks the explicit values/principles/50,000 foot perspective. I am finding that Covey and GTD are not mutually exclusive. My weekly review (when I do it) is where I connect the bottom-up to the top-down approaches. I use both the GTD add-in for Outlook and Plan Plus for Outlook and find that they are very compatible stable mates</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://douglasjohnston.net/weblog/archives/2005/01/26/gtd-falls/#comment-3133</link>
		<author>Michael</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Feb 2005 21:00:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://douglasjohnston.net/weblog/archives/2005/01/26/gtd-falls/#comment-3133</guid>
					<description>One thing that's missing from both GTD &lt;i&gt;and&lt;/i&gt; Covey is any consideration of how long it takes to do a task or achieve a goal, and how much progress will fit in a given span of time. Julie Morgenstern's time management book does address these issues, but in my opinion it's generally not of the same caliber as Allen's and Covey's books.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing that&#8217;s missing from both GTD <i>and</i> Covey is any consideration of how long it takes to do a task or achieve a goal, and how much progress will fit in a given span of time. Julie Morgenstern&#8217;s time management book does address these issues, but in my opinion it&#8217;s generally not of the same caliber as Allen&#8217;s and Covey&#8217;s books.</p>
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		<title>By: netwizard</title>
		<link>http://douglasjohnston.net/weblog/archives/2005/01/26/gtd-falls/#comment-110307</link>
		<author>netwizard</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Feb 2006 20:18:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>My impression from both GTD and Covey was that GTD addresses the everyday "doing" while Covey focuses on more overall planning. I am currently trying out a combination of both.

Another point is that the five steps to project planning highlighted in the GTD book, can very well work for planning one's life as well.

There is also a good post by Steve Pavlina on this:

http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2005/02/the-essential-missing-half-of-getting-things-done/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My impression from both GTD and Covey was that GTD addresses the everyday &#8220;doing&#8221; while Covey focuses on more overall planning. I am currently trying out a combination of both.</p>
<p>Another point is that the five steps to project planning highlighted in the GTD book, can very well work for planning one&#8217;s life as well.</p>
<p>There is also a good post by Steve Pavlina on this:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2005/02/the-essential-missing-half-of-getting-things-done/" rel="nofollow">http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2005/02/the-essential-missing-half-of-getting-things-done/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Academic Personal Productivity and Development &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Falling Off of the Horse and GTD</title>
		<link>http://douglasjohnston.net/weblog/archives/2005/01/26/gtd-falls/#comment-154374</link>
		<author>Academic Personal Productivity and Development &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Falling Off of the Horse and GTD</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2007 18:53:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>[...] things I like least about the GTD-methodology is how easy it is to fall off of the horse. Given the discussions that have occurred on the blogosphere about getting back into getting things done, I take it that [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] things I like least about the GTD-methodology is how easy it is to fall off of the horse. Given the discussions that have occurred on the blogosphere about getting back into getting things done, I take it that [&#8230;]</p>
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